EPISODE 19 ~ FIND YOURS: Unclaimed Money: Find Missing Money For Your Business
We begin today with our find yours segment. I’ve told you that small businesses often have larger pots of unclaimed money out there waiting for them than individuals do. Not as many accounts, but bigger accounts. My next guest found that out first hand when he was able to find unclaimed money for his business. Please welcome Chris Miller of West Virginia to the program. Hi Chris!
Chris, first tell us what type of business you run there in West Virginia.
Chris Miller is a local car dealership owner. The dealership is called Dutch Miller Auto and they have several locations in West Virginia, including Charleston.
You received a sizable amount of unclaimed money back. Don’t tell us how much yet, but tell us how you first heard it was out there.
I have always known about unclaimed property but being busy it isn’t something you think about. The state treasurer’s office contacted me and said we think we have a lot of your unclaimed property.
What did you have to do to claim it?
The gentleman from the state treasurer’s office showed up to the dealership. My mother is house majority whip of the state so I knew he was legit and that his business card was legit. He collected my driver’s license, had me fill out forms and said I will get back to you. He wouldn’t tell me how much money, but he said it was sizable and worth coming to see me!
So he was keeping you in suspense and I want to keep our listeners in suspense a little longer. The unclaimed money you received, what did the money come from?
I do know what money came from. It had to do with insurance settlements for bodywork, deductible payments, overpayment of taxes. A very long list. It was $187 here. $200 there. And it went back to 1989.
So how did you finally find out how much money was out there for you and your business?
The Treasurer’s office got back in touch with me 4 weeks later and said they had great news. They said ‘We would love to do a check presentation with you.’ We coordinated on our end and we did a check presentation.
Alright, it’s time. How big was that check they handed you? How much did you receive?
They handed me a big huge check for $11,162!!!!
And what did you do with the money?
I had contacted the Children’s Home Society of WV and invited them to the check presentation. It’s a place kids go before they go into foster care when they are in abusive situations. It is underfunded right now because of the opioid epidemic so more kids are getting pulled out. I donated my unclaimed money to the Children’s Home Society right then and there. I received it and handed it over to them.
Describe your thinking when you cooked up this plan. I imagine it was fun to take this money that you didn’t even know you had and do some good with it.
I have been a huge supporter of them. I knew what I wanted to do with the money. These funds will provide more of an opportunity for kids being pulled out of their home to have better access to food, pajamas, shoes, special care, funding of people who work in the organization. Better everything. This is unclaimed property. You don’t have to pay taxes since it isn’t revenue. I made a donation which was tax deductible.
That’s not all this experience inspired you to do. Describe how you started trying to get the word out that other people might have unclaimed money out there too.
I got on radio shows and we had a press conference at the dealership. I wanted to spread the word. People are very very uninformed about unclaimed property and that is why I wanted to get involved to educate people as much as I could. There is $139 million still sitting unclaimed in the state treasurer’s office.
As a businessman, what drives you crazy about all that money just sitting there?
There is $139 million still sitting unclaimed in the state treasurer’s office. It could be injected back into the economy, donated to charity. Every single economy is local. You may not need the money but another group might and you can give to them. The small amount of effort, filling out paperwork and forms – to find out to have extra money to give to someone else in your community who needs it is a no brainer. Can use the money to do good. It is every single business owner’s obligation to give back to the community they do business in. It is something we should all be doing. If it is $11 or $1,100 or $11,000.
I think some people don’t search for unclaimed money because they think it’s too good to be true. Or that it’s hard to do. Is it?
It was incredibly easy. I didn’t have to do much at all. Anybody and everybody in state of WV can find out if they have it. You don’t even have to be the person. If you are an immediate heir you can fill out forms, prove who you are and receive this money. Get online in whatever state you live in and search unclaimed property. Type in your name, family member’s names, deceased family members names and see if they have unclaimed property. It is easy and it is free.
In fact, after your PR blitz, other people did start finding their unclaimed money, right?
There was a man that heard us on the air talking about what we were doing and when we had the check presentation later that morning he showed up and had done the same thing and had received several $100 for overpayment of gas bills. And he wrote a check to the same charity we did.
Chris Miller of Dutch Miller Auto —and now an unclaimed money evangelist, thank you so much for speaking with me.
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EPISODE 18 ~ FIND YOURS: Unclaimed Money: How To Keep Your Money From Disappearing
Let’s talk about how to keep your money from becoming unclaimed money! According to the National Association of Unclaimed Property Administers, property becomes lost when a company has no communication with the owner.
You should contact institutions that hold your money or property every year and especially when there is an address change or change in marital status. For security reasons, most financial firms don’t forward mail.
Also keep a list of all your insurance policies, bank accounts (with bank name and account number), investment accounts, real estate holdings and any other property of value so that your heirs can claim all of it if you die.
Other ways to keep the government from seizing your money as unclaimed:
• Cash all checks for dividends, wages, and insurance settlements without delay.
• Respond to requests for confirmation of account balances and stockholder proxies.
• If you have a safe deposit box, record its number, bank name and address, and give the extra key to a trusted person.
• Finally, prepare and file a will detailing what you want down with all of your assets.
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EPISODE 17 ~ FIND YOURS: Unclaimed Funds: Discover Your Missing Money Hiding Abroad
Let’s talk about finding yours —your unclaimed money— in a foreign country. Yes, other countries have unclaimed money stashes and some of that money belongs to Americans!
This would usually happen if you once lived in a foreign country, but there could also be money for you in a foreign country if you worked or did business with a foreign company, or if your ancestors were from another country, etc.
So where do you look? Well, first of all, I am always talking on this show about the website MissingMoney.com and the province Alberta, in Canada, participates with the site, so when you search on MissingMoney, Alberta is included.
The Bank of Canada, keeps a database of unclaimed accounts and I will link you to it.
I can also link you to the unclaimed property websites for British Columbia and Quebec.
Going across the pond to some of our forefathers, it’s possible to search for unclaimed money in the UK.
Ireland, home of my Leamy forefathers, also has a search site for unclaimed funds.
Australia and New Zealand have searchable unclaimed money databases.
France does too, but it’s in French so you’ll have to be able to parlais francais in order to utilize their search site.
Sweden keeps a list of holocaust victims and survivors whose money somehow ended up in Sweden.
And finally, there’s Switzerland, known for its efficiency AND its Swiss banks, so of course the Swiss have a top notch website for unclaimed money, including money from the holocaust as well.
Here are links to all of the sites mentioned above:
AUSTRALIA:
Search for unclaimed money held by Australia.
CANADA:
Alberta, Canada: MissingMoney.com (Includes Alberta in addition to 40 US states and the District of Columbia)
British Columbia: unclaimedpropertybc.ca
Quebec: www.revenu.gouv.qc.ca/en/sepf/services/sgp_bnr/default.aspx
Bank of Canada: ucbswww.bank-banque-canada.ca/scripts/search_english.cfm?
FRANCE:
Search for unclaimed money held by banks in France. Information is available in French only.
NEW ZEALAND:
Search for unclaimed money held in New Zealand.
SWEDEN:
Swedish accounts owned by Holocaust victims:
www.bankforeningen.se or www.riksbank.se/
SWITZERLAND:
Search for dormant accounts in Switzerland.
www.dormantaccounts.ch/narilo/ is a site for Holocaust victims to search Swiss banks.
UNITED KINGDOM:
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EPISODE 16 ~ FIND YOURS: FTC: Could The Federal Trade Commission Have Money For You From A Bad Business?
I’m excited because this is something I had never heard of, even in all my years covering unclaimed money. The Federal Trade Commission is the nation’s consumer watchdog, and when the FTC sues or settles with a company that has done something wrong, it often obtains refund money for consumers. LOTS of refund money. For example, in the first 6 months of 2017, the FTC returned $194-million dollars to well over a million consumers. BUT, there’s more to be claimed. It’s hard for the FTC to find everybody owed money. Nicole Vincent Fleming, Program Manager for the FTC’s Office of Claims and Refunds gave us information on how much money is still available, where it comes from, and what it takes to claim it.
Nicole, to get people interested, how much refund money does the Federal Trade Commission have available for consumers right now? And roughly how many consumers might be eligible to claim that money?
We have active refund programs for over 50 different FTC cases right now. It’s likely at any given time that there are tens of millions of dollars available for tens of thousands of people. We mail out checks every month. We recently heard from a woman who almost threw her check away, thinking that it was junk mail. It was worth $5000!
And give me the big picture. In general, how does this money come to be available for consumers?
Generally, when the FTC investigates a company for unfair or deceptive practices, we may try to reach a settlement with the company. As part of the settlement, we often ask that the company pay money to provide refunds to consumers who were injured by their business practices. If we can’t reach a settlement, the FTC might sue the company and ask the court to order them to pay for refunds. Once the lawsuit or settlement is final, and the defendants have paid the money the court orders, then my office handles distributions.
You take extensive steps to return the money. Describe those steps.
•Often we are able to get a list of customers from the company. We use those records to mail people a check and a letter that explains what the check is. Then, we follow up with address traces to find people who might have moved, and we resend those checks.
• If we don’t have information about who bought the product, we get the word out by advertising and letting the media know that refund money is available. Then, people can come to our website and apply for a refund.
• Sometimes we use our Consumer Sentinel Database to find people. It contains millions of complaints from people who contacted the FTC, the Better Business Bureau, or other federal, state and local law enforcement offices. If people have filed a complaint related to a defendant in one of our refund programs, we might use the information in their complaint to send them a check. (That’s one good reason to report fraud to the FTC!)
•The vast majority of checks usually get cashed.
If there is still money left in the fund after we have done everything we can to reach people, then we might send a second round of checks to people who cashed their first check. For example, people might get a 50% refund with the first check and an additional 10% of their money back with the second check. Our goal is to return as much money as possible to as many people as we can.
We’ll tell people how to search for open FTC refunds and make a claim in a moment, but first give us an example of a big refund currently available.
One interesting open case is Dolce Worldwide, which did business as My Car Solutions. According to the FTC’s lawsuit, the defendants called people offering to sell them extended auto warranties. They implied that the company was affiliated with auto dealers and manufacturers. In reality, there was NO affiliation and no one received an actual warranty extension. The FTC sued the company and got sizable refunds for people. We have mailed 6,000 checks that averaged more than $600 each. We pro rate people’s share so the more you paid, the more you get back. In this case, about a 4th of the checks haven’t yet been cashed, so there are maybe 1500 people STILL owed money. We just reissued checks in this case, so people can be on the lookout
Give us an example of a case where the company is refunding people ALL of their lost money.
Amazon had to refund people for in-app purchases made by their kids. The issue was that parents would let their kids play ‘free” games that actually cost money. The game was free but kids could use real money while playing the game, to buy things like “gold stars” or virtual pet food. Purchases made between November 2011 through May 2016 are eligible. Amazon sent emails to people who made in app purchases during this timeframe. If a child made these purchases without your permission, you may be eligible for a refund. The court order requires Amazon to provide FULL refunds—up to $70 million in all!
Tell me about a case, with an even bigger pot of money available.
Herbalife is one that a lot of people will have heard of. We have distributed 3/4 of the $200 million that was available. But that means we are still trying to reach a lot of people. Herbalife was a multi-level marketing business. The FTC says that Herbalife led people to believe they could earn substantial money, but that most people lost money. And that the company’s payment structure was unfair because it rewarded distributors for recruiting others to join and purchase products, rather than selling the product to end users. To be eligible for a refund, people must have paid Herbalife more than $1000 and meet certain other criteria. The details are at ftc.gov/refunds. The average checks range from $100-$500 per person. BUT the largest checks exceed $9000!
Notice how the pots of money are growing? There’s an even bigger one involving Western Union, right?
Yes, Western Union agreed to provide $586 million in refunds in this case, which was a combined effort of the FTC and Department of Justice. The government charged that massive fraud flowed through Western Union for years and that the company could have prevented it. For example, scams where people thought they had won a cash prize, but they were asked to send “taxes” through Western Union. Or people who thought they were sending money to help a friend or relative in an emergency, but it was a scam. Usually people who send money to a scammer via money transfers find it impossible to get their money back, so this is a remarkable case. The claims process is NOT open yet. But it will be soon. If you already reported your loss to Western Union, the company should have your information in its database, which will help with the refund process. Western Union’s contact information is available on our site.
We’ve profiled five different settlements where people can get refunds. How many more open cases are there and how do people find out about them so they can see if they’re eligible?
We currently have more than 50 open refund cases, and we add new cases every month. Just go to FTC.gov/refunds for a list of open cases where funds are available. In addition, EACH case has a separate phone number for people to inquire.
What do people have to do to prove they were wronged by the company and are eligible for a refund?
Most of the time we do NOT ask for proof of purchase because we have the company’s records and know who bought the product. If we don’t have that, we might ask things like how much you paid and where you bought the product, because we know which retailers really did sell it, so that is one way of verifying claims. When people apply for a refund in one of our programs, they must sign a statement swearing that they are telling the truth. And we are able to spot shady claims other ways, too. By the way, the FTC will NEVER ask you for money to claim your refund. Unfortunately, scammers are promising refunds for a fee—or in exchange for your bank account information—to take advantage of people. Don’t pay for the promise of a refund!
I’d like you to describe one final case, because it’s the biggest of all. This is the Volkswagen case, where the automaker was caught fudging the emissions for its diesel vehicles. How big was this settlement and what’s different about how the money’s being distributed?
There are actually two related Volkswagen settlements: one for 2.0 liter cars and one for 3.0 liter cars. Combined, these two settlements are worth over $11 billion dollars! And it’s a little different because VW is administering the program themselves. They are offering to buyback people’s cars for more than the full value of the vehicle! It’s a complicated settlement—for example, people who leased their car have different options than people who purchased their car. All the details are at FTC.gov/refunds including a chart that can help you determine what your refund will be. If you click on the link to the VW settlement page, you can enter your VIN number and find out how much money you are eligible for. $35,000 is not unusual. It depends largely on what car you bought and how old it is. The low end of the buyback amount is $12,500 and the high end is $44,000. It’s a massive settlement.
After hearing about all of these cases and all of this money, people are going to want to search your site to see if any apply to them. Why is it important that they do so right away?
There are deadlines. We spend time searching for the rightful recipients of this refund money, but eventually, we must close the case and move on. If we have funds left over, we send that money back to the US Treasury’s general fund. Once we close a case and send the money to the Treasury, we can’t get it back. We work really hard to find all the eligible recipients, but we encourage people to check out the site and see if they might be eligible. The website, again, is FTC.gov/refunds.
Nicole Vincent Fleming of the Federal Trade Commission, thank you SO much for telling us about this unique form of unclaimed money. And a big thank you to the Federal Trade Commission for providing additional information for me to share with you.
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EPISODE 15 ~ FIND YOURS: Credit Unions: How To Search The National Credit Union Administration For Missing Money
One of our Easy Money listeners recently left me a voicemail concerning her own unclaimed money.
Hi, this is Olivia. I’ve been listening to your stories about unclaimed money, but I haven’t been able to find my own unclaimed money even though I know it’s out there somewhere. I used to have an account at a credit union in my home town in Pennsylvania, but the credit union went out of business while I was away for college. How can I find my money from that account now that the credit union doesn’t exist anymore?
The reason she haven’t found her unclaimed money by searching the websites I’ve given on the show in the past is that those are for unclaimed money held by the states.
When credit unions fail, they try to reach their members and return their money, but if they can’t find them, that money eventually goes to the National Credit Union Administration, the federal agency that oversees and insures credit unions. The NCUA has a website you can check to see if it is holding your money.
I went to the website and looked at the list and there are pages and pages of names. Plus the list is updated every few months. Hopefully you’ll find yourself on the list and find your money. Here is the link to the National Credit Union Administration’s unclaimed money page.